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AYODHYA : 10 REASONS WHY INDIA CANNOT REALLY MOVE ON !

By Sanjay Jha

The clamor to share the news of victory spoils of a six-decade long religious dispute by irrationally exuberant lawyers typified the chaotic, raging passions behind the centuries-old subject. Since the historical narration of events in chronological order since the days of Emperor Babar has already been thoroughly documented in several media essays, it is pertinent to immediately come to the critical question following the controversial Allahabad High Court verdict of September 30’th 2010 : Does India truly believe that it can move on and ahead ?

My personal views :

1)      3 out of 10 Muslims in India lives below the poverty line, and one third earn below Rs 550 a month, thus we miss the woods for the trees if we are naïve enough to delude ourselves that the India of 2010 is really very different from that of 1992.  Poverty has perpetuated itself, income disparities rule.  Ironically enough, yesterday there were several news- scrolls talking about Mukesh Ambani’s latest top billionaire ranking. A booming Sensex and GDP growth of 9% is meaningless in the absence of fair distribution; it  does not detract from the germane,  irrefutable fact, has the economic lot of the Muslims truly changed even as India accelerates heavily on the foot-pedal of world commerce ? And remember, religion becomes a comforting cocoon of the vulnerable dispossessed.

2)      Was not the contemptible act of December 1949,  when through blatant mischief ( courtesy a communal bureaucrat) a Ram Lalla statue was suddenly placed inside the Babri mosque ( claiming the miraculous appearance of the Hindu legendary god-king ) ,  the triggering point of the whole Babri Masjid –Ram Janambhoomi problem in post-Independent India ? How can the Indian courts quietly condone that flagrant violation of mutual respect for each other’s religious abode? Are not all political parties guilty of willful negligence ? Why did the Allahabad High Court ignore such damning transgressions?

3)      Once again in February 1986 there was a surprisingly swift verdict given by the local district  judge allowing worship to happen in the Babri Masjid ( otherwise locked for several decades)  which was in synchronicity with fast-changing political dynamics of the country. Was that not a motivated parochial decision  , and thus have we not made Muslims a sacrificial pawn on our political chessboard?

4)      The Shilanayas performed in 1989  , even if on an undisputed location  was a tacit endorsement of Hindu territorial claims, and ended up encouraging belligerent nationalism over the Ram Janambhoomi issue. Did not all mainstream parties play the communal card all along? Can we really blame the Muslim community from believing that they are truly part of India’s “ Minority Report? ”.

5)      We are all aware of the fact that it was the Congress party’s knee-jerk over-reaction to the Shah Bano verdict that encouraged the BJP to rouse sentiments on the Ram Janambhoomi issue. The whole rath-yatra , the subsequent communal riots and senseless bloodshed that followed was a political strategy that exploited religious vulnerabilities. Thus, does the High Court judgment end up unwittingly perhaps playing into a political minefield by legitimizing the communal designs of our devious national leaders ?  Is that fair? If god forbid, there is an eventual backlash, should we be surprised?

6)      The fully orchestrated destruction of Babri Masjid in December 1992 via a militant mob of 200, 0000 led by the senior patriarchs of the Sangh Parivaar was universally condemned. But tell me, where does  tolerant Hinduism unequivocally or nebulously state that we Hindus should practise our religious chores after destroying a sacred place of worship of another religion? Does not that stand against the very principles of  a religion that has several gods, besides Lord Ram ? Is not yesterday’s “ triumph” specious?

7)      The quiet burial given to the much-delayed Liberhan Commission’s findings is symptomatic of how India’s political parties have played havoc with minority sentiments in India. Can you genuinely blame the Muslims for being so callously short-charged as even those who have been severely indicted have faced no real criminal prosecution? That the political master-minds of the Babri rubble- plot are now making grandiose plans of a Ram temple must be surely disquieting. Incidentally, what about the Sri Krishna Commission’s report on the Mumbai riots? Are we not living in a fool’s paradise to believe that all that can be just conveniently forgotten?

8)      Please do not take the immediate peaceful aftermath of the Ayodhya verdict to mean “ all is well”; that will be profusely myopic. What such arbitrary judgments ( I refer to the emphatic conclusions on some matters highly subjective and faith-related such as Lord Rama’s birth-place) can do is to gradually convert the large mass of borderline Muslim youth into instant hardliners. The damage inflicted is usually imperceptible, and worse, incalculable. We might end up paying  a huge price in the long-run.

9)      For any minority community, the ultimate last resort of fair justice is the land’s judicial system. It is still early days to utter such spontaneous blandishments as “ judicial statesmanship”. Is the split 1/3 rd verdict finally just  a crude mathematical formulae for an amicable solution? Is it any surprise that both the Sunni Waqf Board and the Nirmohi Akhara are all pleading to the Supreme Court , each believing that they have been unduly done in , even if the Hindus seem to have stolen the initial advantage ? Expect hardening of positions, and a more acrimonious exchange.

10)  There are a lot of seasoned analysts , social commentators and other intellectuals who seem to believe that with the Supreme Court likely to take years to resolve the complex intractable imbroglio , the Ayodhya issue will die a natural death or at least lose its popular mass-base. I think it is a rather superficial  presumption for three reasons; firstly, as we all discovered on September 30’th , the nation came to a virtual standstill on the subject even 18  years after its disturbing  planned demolition. Expect the same or higher intensity of followers as a whole new generation has now been re-educated on that history lesson in a frenzied world of several media platforms, besides television. Secondly, the Supreme Court may not take that long to come to a final decision. In fact, it  might take as early as a mere two years. Thirdly, economic emancipation, social amelioration  and material success is not directly related to religious tolerance. Terry Jones, the US pastor is not the only religious fanatic in the Unites States, which corners 27% of the world’s economic output.

Bottomline: India does not possess the political leadership with the apposite moral fiber or the necessary will-power amongst its key battling constituents to create a national reconciliation. Frankly, all that talk is total humbug , wishful thinking and vastly impractical ( I would love to be surprised though). The judicial process, irrespective of its risky assessments on matters as sensitive as religious faith, is therefore by pure fait accompli , our only logical recourse. Even if Lord Ram Lalla himself has to become a legal claimant! Or we ending up creating  perennial holy structures side by side , a symbol of either our strong secularism or an unhappy property –dispute resolution. The Supreme Court it is then!

Over to you , My Lord ( pun intended) !

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16 Comments on AYODHYA : 10 REASONS WHY INDIA CANNOT REALLY MOVE ON !

  1. Dear Mr. Jha,
    You make some vaild points but the crux of the matter is that both the parties can never be fully satisfied. What would be your solution that will take us forward.

    Thanks
    Kumar

  2. Dear writer,
    why are you trying to become a Masiha for Muslims. Why are you attempting to gain Political mileage out of it.

    I don’t want to comment on the historical judgement. But I know that its been a couple of days and there are no case of violence post the verdict. So when its settling down well with most of the people, why people like you want to cultivate hatred feelings amongst different communities.

    If few Muslims are below the poverty line, are Hindus responsible for that. And Mr. Statistician, why didn’t you mention the number of Hindus who are under this Poverty line.

    My dear writer, its so very easy to use words like Sacrificial Pawn, Senseless Bloodshed, Religious Vulnerabilities, etc but its that very difficult to estimate the impact of the same. Why do you people want to become heroes.
    Please don’t doubt the capabilities/judgements of the high court judges. And if you are not the judge, PLEASE don’t try to spread your(dirty) judgements. When others have accepted the verdict, please do not try to create any fuss around. And I do not intend any Pun. huh!

    Regards,
    Sushant

    You have the Right to Write doesn’t mean you should Write any Bullshittt. …

  3. Sanjay, your’s is a very one-sided post. It is one thing to want to be fair, it’s another thing to be a demagogue. This write-up of yours will only incite people and make them more confident about their grouses when they shouldn’t be. The issue that you have conveniently avoided discussing is that a vast majority of Hindus in India know and are convinced that mosques were built over temples. It is ridiculous to propogate the false idea that these mosques-over-temples were just coincidences or simply built by using materials that happened to be lying around and belonged to “old” crumbling temples or temples that some mysterious aliens had demolished prior to the muslim invasions!!!

    This is the main issue that inflames the Hindus over Babri no matter what you claim the bureacrat did in 1949. Dont the Hindus have a right to their holy places? Dont they have a right to claim what was stolen from them even if the demolition was a mistake? Or are you like other charlatans going to claim that the ASI is entirely biased? Do the Hindus forever have to mourn their lot and be helplessly shackled first by barbarous invaders and then by unfair and unjust, self-appointed, uni-minded, secularists?? If anyone is a pawn, it’s the Hindu. And people such as you are the chess players!

    If you think that a solution will be arrived at by asking the Hindus to sacrifice himself and his interests all over again and become a serf once more, you are fooling yourself, You should know that the kind of pandering that you have done will never solve the problem. Maybe you just dont care.

  4. It is thanks to communist hypocrites like you that the country cannot move on.

    I will tell you why India cannot move on. With the court agreeing on the findings of ASI, that there existed a “massive Hindu religious structure” underneath the defunct Babri Masjid, and the court agreeing on the basic premise of this place being “Believed” to be the birthplace of Lord Sri Ram, it still short changed the Hindus by giving only 1/3rd of the land. The losers in this verdict, still got away with more than they deserved, just because the judiciary was afraid of the repercussions of giving verdict strongly in favor of the majority community.
    Basically Islamic terrorism and the threat of violent reaction by Muslim masses and its implications across the country, terrorized the judges to give this verdict. I would say Congress-I delivered this verdict more so than the judges. And bleeding heart commies like you still wonder why this country is not going anywhere?
    You, are a big hypocrite.
    Hindus are not responsible for the current state of Indian Muslims. Indian Muslims have equal, if not better opportunities at learning and economic betterment of themselves, and they have only themselves to blame, if they don’t join the main stream and live ghetto lives around their Masjids.

  5. 1. Archeological facts does not mean anything to you? Nevermind, For sure they are all made up according to your grand scheme of things.

    2. Have you been to the sites of Ayodha, Kasi and Mathura. Go look at the structures there. Even a blind will come to know the truth. It is much easy to write 10 page article then doing your own fact finding?

    3. Try living in a Muslim majority area for couple of month , and then come write some articles.

    4. There used to be a a world renowned university in Nalanda, which was burnt down. Do you know why? Because it did not had Quran in its library. It took 3 months for that whole university to burn. Can you image how much destruction it caused to our entire civilization and valuable knowledge.

    5. Talking about population. Muslims were just 2% during partition, now they are about 15%. Is the majority population responsible for their economic misery. And , of course, you will never see the misery of poor Hindus anyway.

    6. Has it ever occurred to you – why is it that when Muslims in any country are in minority they crave for secularism, but as soon as their number rises and crosses a threshold, they demand Islamic state. It has happened in India once and another part of India is now on the same path ( if you brain cell gets it then that place is called Kashmir).

    If you still want to write intelligent article, then write it from the neutral point of view. Otherwise, you will be nothing more than a Mulayam yadav’s clone namely mulla-I am Yadav. And if you thing India and Indian are so bad and pathetic, then go live in your Islamic country of choice. Stop blaming the country that feeds you.

  6. Dear Sanjay,

    Can you please think better – U Congressi?

    -This is the first time Hindus in Hindustan were treated secularly (unbiasedly and fairly), otherwise “secular” most of the time meant “anti-Hindu” in India.

    -God has been existed everywhere and anywhere all the time, and certainly not be happy with violence and suffering of humans on the name of his/her perceived belongings in the past.
    If you know and believe in this, why this issue matter to you? then why do you write about in such a biased and provoking way?

    -Clean politics based on the real issues such as development, poverty, unemployment, internal and external security, corruption, public welfare, environmental protection, health-care, education and so on… can uplift common people, including your favorite Muslims.

    -In my view, People like Sanjay do not realize that the Swiss money, which is Indians’ tax payer money, come back as foreign investment and keep looting our country eternally. People like Sanjay helps our community divide and let Congressi and Foreigner loot this country! This is the cycle which needs to break.

    May God Bless Righteous if not All!

  7. Hi Sanjay,

    I feel that you have omitted few core issues here that are at the heart of this issue. Justice Agarwal in his ruling has used circumstantial proof provided by ASI of temple pillars having being used inside and outside the disputed structure. This is in addition to the temple structure excavated right below where the mosque used to stand. As we all know, pillars with Hindu dieties and Hindu symbols cannot be part of a Moslem mosque by definition, we cannot even call this structure a mosque. It just proves the shabby copy-paste job done by Babur’s men of using an existing structure and trying to convert it into a Muslim mosque. Perhaps they never dreamt in their wildest dreams that history and Archeology will take them to task for their ravaging regimes in forcing their religious beliefs on a hapless people.

    The issue you mentioned in point 2 goes much before 1949 when the idols were inserted. This goes back to indeed the 16th century when Babur was spreading his kingdom, it goes even before that to 11th and 12th century when Islamic tribal marauders attacked the subcontinent and had a penchant for razing down anything that they saw was unislamic and forcing their religious beliefs on the hapless people. Best example would be Somnath as we all know, apart from this Babri structure itself. Just because the centuries have past, we cannot sweep under the carpet this unacceptable and totally reprehensible behaviour of the Muslim tribal marauders all through the ages starting from middle ages to the days of the Mughals and Aurangzeb, Akbar being the only notable exception.

    Therefore to look at this issue through the prism of 1949 and neglecting everything prior to that, you have already made your argument very weak indeed. You have to open your history books, dig up the dirt left from the centuries of religious persecutions that resulted from the Islamic tribal marauders of Central Asia on the Indian and Hindu pysche. And then you start to get a feel of the injustices and deep hurt on this nation in terms of religious freedom. To me the incidents of 1992 was a catharis of a few Hindus instigated by religious leaders to the centuries of having Hindu temples being ravaged by the Islamic tribal marauders. The only difference is that in 1992, the event was contemporary and you and me can debate and post our views and protest on the internet. However in the days of Babur, there was neither any freedom nor any internet for the hapless people to protest against religious persecution. Remember there was no high court nor Supreme court in the 16th century to protest against razing down of a temple. Might was right and the king was the law. Just because centuries have past we cannot and should not condone the impertinent behaviour of these central Asian Islamic tribal marauders of destroying and trampling on religious freedoms. I do not however see much change in that tribal Islamic pysche when I look at the senseless destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas in the 21st century!

    Just as you mentioned and I agree we cannot condone the tearing down of a religious structure (of any religion for that matter) in 1992, in the same light we have equally expose and treat with contempt the ravaging of non-Islamic temples by the tribal Islamic marauders starting from the days of the 11th century to Aurangzeb and later. This is particularly relevant because this tribal non-tolerant attitude still exists in some misguided Islamic groups. How else would you explain the Taliban blowing up the revered Bamiyan Buddhas? I think a lot of healing will occur if someone from Islam says sorry for this ravaging behaviour of the Islamic tribes on India right since the middle ages. People in today’s age can forgive and move on and heal if the wrongs of the past are accepted. Religious and faith based freedom is one of the hallmarks of a great nation and we should have the maturity to say sorry for injustices of the past so that religious freedoms can be upheld in today’s date.

    Thanks
    Priyank.

  8. The verdict could be analysed from several angles

    1) Obviously it is a faith based verdict, not based on law.
    2) Muslims feel cheated, mainly because the right wing parties are celebrating. They are worried of the long term consequences of this verdict. Are they little brother being bullied by the big brother?
    3) What do Muslims do if Supreme Court accepts High Court’s verdict? That will be worse than today.
    4) Right wing leaders such as Modi and Advani are calling for national unity, they in fact mean unity amongst their own constituents (hindus), not all indians.
    5) All the parties (besides the Nimrohi Akhara) are going to Supreme Court. Everyone wants their way or the highway.

    As an indian muslims i believe muslims should negotiate, and give up the land in exchange for something that is much more valuable. This could include such things as reservation in all the educational institutes (public and private) and all government jobs. This is the time to ask for it. But if our leaders cared so much for the well being of the community we’d not be so far behind.

    • Shaikh, you say “Muslims feel cheated, mainly because the right wing parties are celebrating. ”

      No Hindus are celebrating. I dont know where you get your facts. Many Hindus feel that even the 1/3 land should not have been given because it was stolen in the first place by Babar and his general. But by their nature Hindus tend to become easily satisfied by compromises even when they are entirely in the right. They also feel that Indian muslims should not associate themselves with Babar, Aurangazeb, and their illegal mosques. They are all haram. They feel Islam has a history of conquest and brutality. There is clear evidence that many temples were demolished in India by muslim tyrants and mosques were built on top of some of them – why should Indian muslims deny that? Let us ALL be honest.

      That said, let me say that I feel that Hindus and Muslims are brothers who will make India a great land once again. And we should all move forward. Let all the land be given away to building a monument.

  9. Sanjay’s ass is burning, he needs some burnol!

  10. The backwardness of Muslims is due to their insistence on their personal laws taking precedence over over the Constitution and the loss of educated elite to Pakistan during Partition. Let us not mix up things here. As far as this issue is concerned, history did not begin in 1949. My memory as a citizen of India is only 60 years old but my civilisational memory as a Hindu is millenia old. Muslims in India are a relative minority only. In absolute numbers, they are a huge population. Compared to how minorities are treated in Muslim countries around the world, Muslims in India are living a dream. Articles such as yours only exacerbate the sense of entitlement that they have had since 1857. It is time somebody tells them that they do not sit on the peacock throne anymore.

  11. Sanjay,

    I was reading through your opinion and you came across as an emotional moron. There is nothing wrong with that. I see similar profile of people around me, as that’s the law of nature. Not all creations are normal. What made me reply to this opinion is that people like you are also very dangerous. As your immature take on the issue can vitiate the atmosphere.

    Let me elaborate

    First of all your ‘10’ reasons are childish attempt to create a list that reads till 10. Have we all not grown out of it since our childhood days of 3 reasons for….., 10 reasons for…..etc? I guess you have not. Well, your childish fantasies were more evident as I read further.

    3 out of 10 muslims are below poverty line….. I know of that NCAER survey done on 41000 households over a population of a billion plus. You think that has statistical validity? Any stats guy can tell you that this sample doesn’t hold valid. So, firstly it is unverified fact. Secondly, you think that a person who doesn’t have food to eat will be finding time and energy to spend on religion? Ever heard about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? I am sure you have not, and the reason that you are being a moron.

    Your second point was about establishing of idol in 1949. And again, I have to say that you are very confused. This court was not making any statement or verdict on that event. All it had to decide was, who holds the title to the land? Hindu religious structure found in ASI excavation was the evidence (Verified by all sides) that was clinching, proving the land was held by Hindu religious authorities before Mosque was built. Thus title should go to Hindu organisations….Got the point? I guess not. Maybe it confused your bird brain further.

    Your 3rd point is an extension and of the same moronic quality as the second.

    On your 4th point. You were able to make some sense. I was pleasantly surprised

    5th Point. You are confusing the riots (Criminal incident and resultant cases) with the Land title case (Civil case). Obviously the judges are smart enough to not fall in that trap. They didn’t give in to people like you making stupid conclusions about another case based on this one. Judiciary thankfully doesn’t work like your stupid messed up mind

    6th Point: Now flip your point around. So does Muslim faith allow the same to happen? Building religious structure by demolishing other religious structures? I think Muslim religion is much better than that
    7th point…You again made sense. Wonderful achievement for you. But befre moving on, let me point out that most problems that Muslims face are structural and within their society. Madrassa education can’t prepare them for jobs. Or for that matter, if the community follows archaic religious laws drawn in 7th century, it will always create friction with the rest of the world. For being included, they need to stop trying to be so different. Else the whole notion of being included becomes paradoxical.

    8th point…You are at moronic best again. Please refer to my response to your second point. Ram Janambhoomi and faith was just one of the answers given by court. The presence of massive Hindu religious structure is good enough to validate Hindu claim. The claim was not decided on the basis of faith. Can you differentiate?
    9th and 10th Point..you are predicting future…That’s ok. Just that you vision of future might be different from mine and the rest.
    So summary is…You are a moron. Don’t delude yourself as being intellectual…And stop writing negative. Like I said in the beginning, hate mongers like you are dangerous

  12. Sanjay,

    I was reading through your opinion and you came across as an emotional fool. There is nothing wrong with that. I see similar profile of people around me, as that’s the law of nature. Not all creations are normal. What made me reply to this opinion is that people like you are also very dangerous. As your immature take on the issue can vitiate the atmosphere.

    Let me elaborate

    First of all your ‘10’ reasons are childish attempt to create a list that reads till 10. Have we all not grown out of it since our childhood days of 3 reasons for….., 10 reasons for…..etc? I guess you have not. Well, your childish fantasies were more evident as I read further.

    3 out of 10 muslims are below poverty line….. I know of that NCAER survey done on 41000 households over a population of a billion plus. You think that has statistical validity? Any stats guy can tell you that this sample doesn’t hold valid. So, firstly it is unverified fact. Secondly, you think that a person who doesn’t have food to eat will be finding time and energy to spend on religion? Ever heard about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? I am sure you have not, and the reason that you are making such childish conclusions.

    Your second point was about establishing of idol in 1949. And again, I have to say that you are very confused. This court was not making any statement or verdict on that event. All it had to decide was, who holds the title to the land? Hindu religious structure found in ASI excavation was the evidence (Verified by all sides) that was clinching, proving the land was held by Hindu religious authorities before Mosque was built. Thus title should go to Hindu organisations….Got the point? I guess not. Maybe it confused your brain further.

    Your 3rd point is an extension and of the same moronic quality as the second.

    On your 4th point. You were able to make some sense. I was pleasantly surprised

    5th Point. You are confusing the riots (Criminal incident and resultant cases) with the Land title case (Civil case). Obviously the judges are smart enough to not fall in that trap. They didn’t give in to people like you making stupid conclusions about another case based on this one. Judiciary thankfully doesn’t work with a messed up mind

    6th Point: Now flip your point around. So does Muslim faith allow the same to happen? Building religious structure by demolishing other religious structures? I think Muslim religion is much better than that

    7th point…You again made sense. Wonderful achievement for you. But before moving on, let me point out that most problems that Muslims face are structural and within their society. Madrassa education can’t prepare them for jobs. Or for that matter, if the community follows archaic religious laws drawn in 7th century, it will always create friction with the rest of the world. For being included, they need to stop trying to be so different. Else the whole notion of being included becomes paradoxical.

    8th point…You are at your childish best again. Please refer to my response to your second point. Ram Janambhoomi and faith was just one of the answers given by court. The presence of massive Hindu religious structure is good enough to validate Hindu claim. The claim was not decided on the basis of faith. Can you differentiate?

    9th and 10th Point..you are predicting future…That’s ok. Just that you vision of future might be different from mine and the rest.

    So summary is…Don’t delude yourself as being intellectual…And stop writing negative. Like I said in the beginning, hate mongers like you are dangerous

  13. dude you are blind..

    really!!! so we should always bow down to them, just so that their youth do not fall into hardliner’s hands, and become terrorists… WOW thats real mature..

    Have these people ever thought that so many hindus also are below poverty line, why don’t they become terrorits… none of the expelled kashmiri brahmins have become terrorist.

    So the message of our system is simple.. if you want something, follow the way of violence and we will kneel down, otherwise we dont care..

  14. the curse of hindus….

    that they are truly secular. nobody else in the world is secular and keeps their own interest first before secularism. Everybody just talks of secularism,
    USA, secular, but detain any muslim without proof, ransacked two whole muslim nations etc etc. China, secular, but kept it’s interests first, and diluted the
    muslim demography before it could endanger its territory. Muslim countries dont even claim to be secular.

    In India, hindu’s brains are washed of any self-respect, pride or survival instinct. They are made robots, singing tunes of secularism and reasonableness, and giving up everything for the sake of others, while expecting nothing in return except treason, intolerance and back st@bbing.

    This is I think the first blow to muslims by any legal body in India. shah bano case, muslim marriage act, article 370 etc etc, there are innumerous cases where these muslims got unfair advantage, but then they didn’t squeal of unjustice. Just once if they are made to give up the land, which undisputedly is holy to Hindus, they are being a crybaby.

    Before partition paki muslims were also like these people only, just after partition they showed there true color and so will these as soon as they become majority. So they are not to be trusted.

    It is not an issue of unjustice now, this is about marking our territory, and I think they should loose even the one third land in supreme court.

    They are saying we dont want charity, then stop going on hajj on govt money, asking for reservation, and special aid packages. instead start having less babies and send them to actual schools, where their brains are not filled with camel feces called Q book. Have some shame at least if not faithfulness to the country.

  15. dude do what you want..

    but one day when due to people like you muslims will have power and majority in the country, and India will become pakistan,

    then you will run for your life and regret this day, and you know that….

    you are just cursing your kids to live in an islamic india where they will be persecuted and marginalised like EVERY SINGLE ISLAMIC COUNTRY on the face of planet…

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